**Wikifram** wrote:

(In reply to comment #21)
> This discussion is not helpful. Please read 
> 
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bug_management/Bugzilla_Etiquette
> 
> This report is far from perfect since Comment 0 since all we have to evaluate
> is
> 
> "VisualEditor: Support copy and paste from other VE instances (surfaces)"
> 
> Now this support is in place. You are saying that it doesn't work in certain
> circumstances. Are there file bugs opened for the circumstances you can
> reproduce? Currently we have
> 
> Bug 33105 - VisualEditor: Preserve rich text formatting when pasting from
> internal or external sources (tracking)
> 
> which tracks 6 bug reports. Are the problems you are encountering covered
> there? I didn't read the whole conversation at the wiki page, but the
> problems
> seemed to be related with formatting being lost from copy to paste, which is
> what Bug 33105 is tracking. 
> 
> If not, please create new bugs for the cases that are missing.

This discussion is not helpful? On the contrary, it has made the position of many devs a lot clearer, and the gap between them and their "customers", for lack of a better word. That it may have violated your Bugzilla Etiquette is the least of my concerns, and that my Bugzilla access may be taken away is your loss, not mine. 

I am not saying that "it doesn't work in certain circumstances", I'm saying that it doesn't work in nearly all circumstances. 

Are there file bugs opened for it? Don't know, don't really care. I have done your (devs) job, testing the software, and have reported at length what I encountered in those far from exhaustive tests. Perhaps now you (devs) can do what is apparently my job, and file the bugs? The arrogance of this thread and these statements may escape you, but it is unmistakeable for an outsider. 

What bugs are coupled at the moment to the mythical bug 33105 ("The main work is done' Priority back to normal")? Bug 37932 is not relevant, 48172 may be related, 48720 is not relevant, 50126 has nothing to do with my reported problems, 51725 doesn't seem to be about what the title describes, 52091 is about copying from read mode (which WhatamIDoing (WMF) claimed was not what this was about)... So no, the many problems I reported are not yet noted, or at least not coupled to 33105. 

"If not, please create new bugs for the cases that are missing." No, even though you ask nicely, but the treatment by others, the ones that should have found these problems in the first place, doesn't give me any reason to waste my time repeating the errors I reported here once again, where they will be closed at the whim of a dev anyway, sometimes fixed, sometimes not. I hope that someone who should have tested this from the WMF devs or the in-name-only QA team will be a tiny bit ashamed about all that's happened here, and file the bugs themselves. I doubt it though. It's easier to blame the messenger than to look at your own faults.