['== RFC: VisualEditor launch issues ==\n', '{{Archive top|result= Before I close this, let me state a few things. First, I have an opinion on some aspects of VisualEditor (VE), which is probably known to most regulars in these debates. Second, I\'m one of the only regulars left to check VE and give feedback on it. This combination makes me either highly involved and unsuitable as a closer, or sufficiently neutral to be acceptable as a closer. I think I can be neutral enough to close this objectively (and I don\'t see others rushing to close it anyway), but feel free to overturn the close if it is too problematic anyway. Finally, much in this RfC is no longer applicable, things have evolved a lot in the past few months and after the other RfC, but it still has value to close this RfC and list the results. [[User:Fram|Fram]] ([[User talk:Fram|talk]]) 09:49, 24 October 2013 (UTC) \n*"1. VisualEditor is a good idea in theory": there is \'\'\'clear support\'\'\' for this, most people agree that a Visual Editor is in itself a good idea.\n*"2. Buggy software should not become the default until it reaches a certain level of development.": \'\'\'clear support\'\'\' for this as well.\n*"3. VisualEditor should have a way to be turned off fully, easily, and without continuing to leech resources": very \'\'\'clear support\'\'\' for this as well (not applicable at the moment, but something that should be taken into account if and when the opt-in is changed back to opt-out)\n*"4. The manner of the launch was unduly aggressive": There is \'\'\'support\'\'\' for this, but with many people feeling that the launch was badly handled but that perhaps "agressive" is not the right word. \n*"5. This survey should have been begun by the VisualEditor team": \'\'\'no consensus\'\'\'\n*"6. Wikimedia should disable this software by default": this has \'\'\'clear support\'\'\' (like at the other RfC), and the WMF has in the meantime been forced to do this. \n*"7. VisualEditor, as currently deployed, is a useful feature": \'\'\'clear opposition\'\'\' against this point\n*"8. Flow should support markup editing": while perhaps badly placed in this RfC, it has \'\'\'clear support\'\'\'. \n}}\n']